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Why food cost varies between restaurant sites

Finished 8 of 8 people answered Deep Study A group of eleven restaurants

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Written by Lontra from 8 conversations, 2 shared documents and 3 Deep Study conversations.

The answer

Food cost depends on who orders, not on the menu: each head chef has their own method.

Same suppliers, same price list, same menu, and a nine-point gap between the lowest and highest site. The lowest sites count stock every week and order up to a set level; the others order from a walk round the fridge, and hear their number a month later.

What people said

Orders are placed from memory, not from stock counts 6 of 8 people Strong signal

Five of the six people working at a site describe ordering from a walk round the fridge and what they remember, and the area manager says the same of three of his four sites. Counts are done once a month for finance, and nobody orders from them. The head chef who counts weekly and orders to a set level sits at 26.5 per cent, the lowest of the eleven.

“For orders it's the walk and what I remember.”Head chef, 4 years in role
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  1. “For orders it's the walk and what I remember.”

    Head chef, 4 years in role

    Open the conversation

    Excerpt from the conversation with: Head chef, 4 years in role · Site B, about 110 covers a day

    Lontra

    How do you decide what to order for your kitchen in a normal week?

    Head chef

    I know my kitchen. I look at what's in, I think about the weekend, I place the order. I don't need a sheet.

    Lontra

    What do you look at when you decide?

    Head chef

    The fridge, the walk-in, the bookings for Friday and Saturday. Twenty minutes. I do it at two, the cut-off's at three.

    Lontra

    How do you know how much is in?

    Head chef

    I count it every month for finance. Otherwise I know what I've got. I can see it.

    Lontra

    You said you count it every month for finance, and also that you can see what you've got. Which is closer to what happens on an order day?

    Head chef

    Fair. I count monthly because finance want it. For orders it's the walk and what I remember. If you asked me exactly how many kilos of beef I've got I'd be guessing.

    Lontra

    What happens when you guess too high?

    Head chef

    It sits. We use it, but the ones at the back go out of date. And too low, I'm on the phone on Friday to a supplier at whatever price. Running out on a Saturday is worse than having too much.

    Lontra

    Who decides how much is too much?

    Head chef

    Nobody. Finance send the figure at the end of the month, then it's too late to do anything.

    Lontra

    What do you see in that figure?

    Head chef

    A number. Thirty-six per cent. It doesn't say what happened. I don't know if it's the beef, the portions, the supplier price.

    Lontra

    What would you change?

    Head chef

    Let me see it weekly. And a count sheet that isn't a blank page.

  2. “What we're low on. Not what we've got.”

    Head chef, 7 years in role

    Open the conversation

    Excerpt from the conversation with: Head chef, 7 years in role · Site C, about 80 covers a day

    Lontra

    How do you decide what to order?

    Head chef

    I walk the fridge on Tuesday and Thursday with a notepad and order from that. Two suppliers for most things, one for fish. Orders go in by two for next morning.

    Lontra

    What is on the notepad?

    Head chef

    What we're low on. Not what we've got. If it's low I order it.

    Lontra

    How do you know what's low?

    Head chef

    Eyes. And the prep cook tells me what's run out.

    Lontra

    When do you count stock properly?

    Head chef

    Month end, with the sous. Takes an afternoon.

    Lontra

    How do case sizes and minimums come into it?

    Head chef

    Chicken's in ten kilo boxes. I need six, I order ten, there's no half box. And the minimum order's two hundred pounds, so I add things to get there.

    Lontra

    What happens to the things you add?

    Head chef

    Mostly they get used. Sometimes it's a special to shift it.

    Lontra

    What do you think explains your number?

    Head chef

    Honestly, the menu. We sell more of the steak and the fish than the other sites. They're the dear lines, so of course we're higher.

    Lontra

    What would you want from head office?

    Head chef

    Tell me when prices change. I found out the butter had gone up when I saw the invoice. Three weeks later.

  3. “I've never seen a stock sheet, he orders from what he sees in the fridge.”

    General manager, 6 years in role

    Open the conversation

    Excerpt from the conversation with: General manager, 6 years in role · Site D, signs the invoices

    Lontra

    What do you see of ordering from where you sit?

    General manager

    Invoices. I see them come in, I sign them. I don't see what's ordered before. The chef places it and I see the total. I've never seen a stock sheet, he orders from what he sees in the fridge.

    Lontra

    How do you know whether the orders are right?

    General manager

    I don't, until the monthly pack. Food cost is on page three and it's either good or it's not. If it's bad I ask him what happened and we both don't know.

    Lontra

    What do you do when it's high?

    General manager

    Talk to the chef, change a dish maybe. It's guesses.

    Lontra

    What happens on delivery day?

    General manager

    Deliveries land at seven and the box sizes mean he always orders a bit over. The chef checks against the invoice, mostly. If he's on his break, a commis signs. Monday mornings are short.

    Lontra

    What would you change?

    General manager

    A weekly number, one per site, and a line to say why.

  4. “Most. I'd say three of my four.”

    Area operations manager, 4 sites

    Open the conversation

    Excerpt from the conversation with: Area operations manager, 4 sites · Covers Sites A, B, C and D

    Lontra

    From where you sit, why does food cost differ between your sites?

    Area operations manager

    I've got four sites and their food costs run from twenty-six to thirty-six. Four head chefs, four ways of doing it. One counts every week, the other three monthly, when finance chases.

    Lontra

    What do you make of that?

    Area operations manager

    It's not about skill. Nobody has set a method. Each head chef built their own and they're all good cooks. The one who counts weekly is the lowest, by a distance.

    Lontra

    What happens when you ask a chef to count?

    Area operations manager

    They do. Then it slips. There's no reminder and nobody checks. The sheet goes in a drawer.

    Lontra

    Which of your sites order from memory?

    Area operations manager

    Most. I'd say three of my four. Cut-offs are two or three in the afternoon, so they order in the middle of prep.

    Lontra

    How do you decide whether to step in?

    Area operations manager

    I don't have a trigger. I see the number mid-month, tell them, and they say they'll look at it.

    Lontra

    What would you change?

    Area operations manager

    One count sheet, one day a week, the same for every site. And finance sending the figure weekly, not monthly. I'd start with the highest three.

The food cost figure arrives weeks after the cost happened 5 of 8 people Strong signal

Finance produces the figure at month end, around the tenth of the next month, so a site hears about March in the middle of April. Price changes arrive in the same way: on the invoice. The two sites that count weekly get a weekly figure because they ask for it.

“Finance send the figure at the end of the month, then it's too late to do anything.”Head chef, 4 years in role
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  1. “Finance send the figure at the end of the month, then it's too late to do anything.”

    Head chef, 4 years in role

    Open the conversation

    Excerpt from the conversation with: Head chef, 4 years in role · Site B, about 110 covers a day

    Lontra

    How do you decide what to order for your kitchen in a normal week?

    Head chef

    I know my kitchen. I look at what's in, I think about the weekend, I place the order. I don't need a sheet.

    Lontra

    What do you look at when you decide?

    Head chef

    The fridge, the walk-in, the bookings for Friday and Saturday. Twenty minutes. I do it at two, the cut-off's at three.

    Lontra

    How do you know how much is in?

    Head chef

    I count it every month for finance. Otherwise I know what I've got. I can see it.

    Lontra

    You said you count it every month for finance, and also that you can see what you've got. Which is closer to what happens on an order day?

    Head chef

    Fair. I count monthly because finance want it. For orders it's the walk and what I remember. If you asked me exactly how many kilos of beef I've got I'd be guessing.

    Lontra

    What happens when you guess too high?

    Head chef

    It sits. We use it, but the ones at the back go out of date. And too low, I'm on the phone on Friday to a supplier at whatever price. Running out on a Saturday is worse than having too much.

    Lontra

    Who decides how much is too much?

    Head chef

    Nobody. Finance send the figure at the end of the month, then it's too late to do anything.

    Lontra

    What do you see in that figure?

    Head chef

    A number. Thirty-six per cent. It doesn't say what happened. I don't know if it's the beef, the portions, the supplier price.

    Lontra

    What would you change?

    Head chef

    Let me see it weekly. And a count sheet that isn't a blank page.

  2. “I found out the butter had gone up when I saw the invoice. Three weeks later.”

    Head chef, 7 years in role

    Open the conversation

    Excerpt from the conversation with: Head chef, 7 years in role · Site C, about 80 covers a day

    Lontra

    How do you decide what to order?

    Head chef

    I walk the fridge on Tuesday and Thursday with a notepad and order from that. Two suppliers for most things, one for fish. Orders go in by two for next morning.

    Lontra

    What is on the notepad?

    Head chef

    What we're low on. Not what we've got. If it's low I order it.

    Lontra

    How do you know what's low?

    Head chef

    Eyes. And the prep cook tells me what's run out.

    Lontra

    When do you count stock properly?

    Head chef

    Month end, with the sous. Takes an afternoon.

    Lontra

    How do case sizes and minimums come into it?

    Head chef

    Chicken's in ten kilo boxes. I need six, I order ten, there's no half box. And the minimum order's two hundred pounds, so I add things to get there.

    Lontra

    What happens to the things you add?

    Head chef

    Mostly they get used. Sometimes it's a special to shift it.

    Lontra

    What do you think explains your number?

    Head chef

    Honestly, the menu. We sell more of the steak and the fish than the other sites. They're the dear lines, so of course we're higher.

    Lontra

    What would you want from head office?

    Head chef

    Tell me when prices change. I found out the butter had gone up when I saw the invoice. Three weeks later.

  3. “Food cost is on page three and it's either good or it's not.”

    General manager, 6 years in role

    Open the conversation

    Excerpt from the conversation with: General manager, 6 years in role · Site D, signs the invoices

    Lontra

    What do you see of ordering from where you sit?

    General manager

    Invoices. I see them come in, I sign them. I don't see what's ordered before. The chef places it and I see the total. I've never seen a stock sheet, he orders from what he sees in the fridge.

    Lontra

    How do you know whether the orders are right?

    General manager

    I don't, until the monthly pack. Food cost is on page three and it's either good or it's not. If it's bad I ask him what happened and we both don't know.

    Lontra

    What do you do when it's high?

    General manager

    Talk to the chef, change a dish maybe. It's guesses.

    Lontra

    What happens on delivery day?

    General manager

    Deliveries land at seven and the box sizes mean he always orders a bit over. The chef checks against the invoice, mostly. If he's on his break, a commis signs. Monday mornings are short.

    Lontra

    What would you change?

    General manager

    A weekly number, one per site, and a line to say why.

  4. “So the site hears about March's number in the middle of April.”

    Finance business partner

    Open the conversation

    Excerpt from the conversation with: Finance business partner · Group finance, produces the monthly food cost figure

    Lontra

    How does finance work out food cost for each site?

    Finance business partner

    Opening stock plus purchases minus closing stock, over sales. Purchases we see from the invoices. Closing stock we rely on the site to count and send. Not everyone does.

    Lontra

    How many sites send a count?

    Finance business partner

    Eleven sites. Two send one every week, the rest monthly because that's what we ask for, and a couple are late. For the two that send weekly I email a weekly figure, because they ask.

    Lontra

    Thank you for the table. Site B shows 36.3 per cent against a group target of 30. How does finance find out, and when?

    Finance business partner

    At month end, when the counts are in. About the tenth of the following month. So the site hears about March's number in the middle of April.

    Lontra

    What do you think explains the range?

    Finance business partner

    Same suppliers, same price list, same menu. So it isn't price and it isn't the menu. It's quantity: how much comes in versus how much is sold. And quantity is the order. I don't say that to point at anyone, we've never given them a way to see it.

    Lontra

    What do the best sites have in common?

    Finance business partner

    Counts every week. Orders to a par. At least that's what I've seen from Site A and Site J. I haven't been in the kitchen.

    Lontra

    Is there anything about the table you aren't sure of?

    Finance business partner

    Wastage isn't in there. And cost by dish isn't either, we only see the site total. I don't know how much is price, how much is portion.

Cut-offs, case sizes and minimums push orders up 4 of 8 people Strong signal

Orders are placed by two or three in the afternoon, in the middle of prep, and arrive in boxes and minimum values that do not match what is needed. Kitchens round up and add lines to reach the minimum.

“I do it at two, the cut-off's at three.”Head chef, 4 years in role
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  1. “I do it at two, the cut-off's at three.”

    Head chef, 4 years in role

    Open the conversation

    Excerpt from the conversation with: Head chef, 4 years in role · Site B, about 110 covers a day

    Lontra

    How do you decide what to order for your kitchen in a normal week?

    Head chef

    I know my kitchen. I look at what's in, I think about the weekend, I place the order. I don't need a sheet.

    Lontra

    What do you look at when you decide?

    Head chef

    The fridge, the walk-in, the bookings for Friday and Saturday. Twenty minutes. I do it at two, the cut-off's at three.

    Lontra

    How do you know how much is in?

    Head chef

    I count it every month for finance. Otherwise I know what I've got. I can see it.

    Lontra

    You said you count it every month for finance, and also that you can see what you've got. Which is closer to what happens on an order day?

    Head chef

    Fair. I count monthly because finance want it. For orders it's the walk and what I remember. If you asked me exactly how many kilos of beef I've got I'd be guessing.

    Lontra

    What happens when you guess too high?

    Head chef

    It sits. We use it, but the ones at the back go out of date. And too low, I'm on the phone on Friday to a supplier at whatever price. Running out on a Saturday is worse than having too much.

    Lontra

    Who decides how much is too much?

    Head chef

    Nobody. Finance send the figure at the end of the month, then it's too late to do anything.

    Lontra

    What do you see in that figure?

    Head chef

    A number. Thirty-six per cent. It doesn't say what happened. I don't know if it's the beef, the portions, the supplier price.

    Lontra

    What would you change?

    Head chef

    Let me see it weekly. And a count sheet that isn't a blank page.

  2. “I need six, I order ten, there's no half box.”

    Head chef, 7 years in role

    Open the conversation

    Excerpt from the conversation with: Head chef, 7 years in role · Site C, about 80 covers a day

    Lontra

    How do you decide what to order?

    Head chef

    I walk the fridge on Tuesday and Thursday with a notepad and order from that. Two suppliers for most things, one for fish. Orders go in by two for next morning.

    Lontra

    What is on the notepad?

    Head chef

    What we're low on. Not what we've got. If it's low I order it.

    Lontra

    How do you know what's low?

    Head chef

    Eyes. And the prep cook tells me what's run out.

    Lontra

    When do you count stock properly?

    Head chef

    Month end, with the sous. Takes an afternoon.

    Lontra

    How do case sizes and minimums come into it?

    Head chef

    Chicken's in ten kilo boxes. I need six, I order ten, there's no half box. And the minimum order's two hundred pounds, so I add things to get there.

    Lontra

    What happens to the things you add?

    Head chef

    Mostly they get used. Sometimes it's a special to shift it.

    Lontra

    What do you think explains your number?

    Head chef

    Honestly, the menu. We sell more of the steak and the fish than the other sites. They're the dear lines, so of course we're higher.

    Lontra

    What would you want from head office?

    Head chef

    Tell me when prices change. I found out the butter had gone up when I saw the invoice. Three weeks later.

  3. “the box sizes mean he always orders a bit over.”

    General manager, 6 years in role

    Open the conversation

    Excerpt from the conversation with: General manager, 6 years in role · Site D, signs the invoices

    Lontra

    What do you see of ordering from where you sit?

    General manager

    Invoices. I see them come in, I sign them. I don't see what's ordered before. The chef places it and I see the total. I've never seen a stock sheet, he orders from what he sees in the fridge.

    Lontra

    How do you know whether the orders are right?

    General manager

    I don't, until the monthly pack. Food cost is on page three and it's either good or it's not. If it's bad I ask him what happened and we both don't know.

    Lontra

    What do you do when it's high?

    General manager

    Talk to the chef, change a dish maybe. It's guesses.

    Lontra

    What happens on delivery day?

    General manager

    Deliveries land at seven and the box sizes mean he always orders a bit over. The chef checks against the invoice, mostly. If he's on his break, a commis signs. Monday mornings are short.

    Lontra

    What would you change?

    General manager

    A weekly number, one per site, and a line to say why.

A weekly figure is what keeps counting going, and what the others ask for 4 of 8 people Strong signal

The head chef at the lowest-cost site says he keeps counting because finance sends him a weekly figure on Monday. Three people who do not get one ask for it. Nobody asked for more reporting; they asked for the number sooner.

“Finance send me the weekly figure on Monday. That's why I keep doing it.”Head chef, 12 years in role
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  1. “Finance send me the weekly figure on Monday. That's why I keep doing it.”

    Head chef, 12 years in role

    Open the conversation

    Excerpt from the conversation with: Head chef, 12 years in role · Site A, about 90 covers a day

    Lontra

    To start, how do you decide what to order for your kitchen in a normal week?

    Head chef

    Sunday night after service we count everything. Fridge, dry store, freezer. My sous does the count, I check it. Then I order up to the par levels, so I'm topping up to a set number. Deliveries land Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

    Lontra

    Who set the par levels?

    Head chef

    I did, when I started, and I've changed them a few times. Summer's different from winter.

    Lontra

    Thank you for the order sheet you shared. On the cream line the par is 12 litres, you counted 4 and the order is 8. How did you land on 12?

    Head chef

    Last three weeks of sales. Twelve gets us from Monday to Wednesday with a bit spare. In summer it's nine, fewer puddings. I look at it every few weeks.

    Lontra

    What does the count cost you?

    Head chef

    Ninety minutes of the sous chef's time and mine on a Sunday night, when we'd rather be home. It's not popular. But I'd rather count than guess.

    Lontra

    What keeps you doing it?

    Head chef

    Finance send me the weekly figure on Monday. That's why I keep doing it. If I never saw the number I don't think I'd bother.

    Lontra

    Do other head chefs work the same way?

    Head chef

    No. I hear a few don't count unless head office asks. Not a criticism. Nobody told us to count. I learned it at my last place.

    Lontra

    Who else knows how your par levels are set?

    Head chef

    Nobody. They're in my head and on that sheet. If I left tomorrow it would go with me.

    Lontra

    What would help the other sites?

    Head chef

    A simple sheet like mine and someone to say count on Sunday. That's it.

  2. “Let me see it weekly.”

    Head chef, 4 years in role

    Open the conversation

    Excerpt from the conversation with: Head chef, 4 years in role · Site B, about 110 covers a day

    Lontra

    How do you decide what to order for your kitchen in a normal week?

    Head chef

    I know my kitchen. I look at what's in, I think about the weekend, I place the order. I don't need a sheet.

    Lontra

    What do you look at when you decide?

    Head chef

    The fridge, the walk-in, the bookings for Friday and Saturday. Twenty minutes. I do it at two, the cut-off's at three.

    Lontra

    How do you know how much is in?

    Head chef

    I count it every month for finance. Otherwise I know what I've got. I can see it.

    Lontra

    You said you count it every month for finance, and also that you can see what you've got. Which is closer to what happens on an order day?

    Head chef

    Fair. I count monthly because finance want it. For orders it's the walk and what I remember. If you asked me exactly how many kilos of beef I've got I'd be guessing.

    Lontra

    What happens when you guess too high?

    Head chef

    It sits. We use it, but the ones at the back go out of date. And too low, I'm on the phone on Friday to a supplier at whatever price. Running out on a Saturday is worse than having too much.

    Lontra

    Who decides how much is too much?

    Head chef

    Nobody. Finance send the figure at the end of the month, then it's too late to do anything.

    Lontra

    What do you see in that figure?

    Head chef

    A number. Thirty-six per cent. It doesn't say what happened. I don't know if it's the beef, the portions, the supplier price.

    Lontra

    What would you change?

    Head chef

    Let me see it weekly. And a count sheet that isn't a blank page.

  3. “A weekly number, one per site, and a line to say why.”

    General manager, 6 years in role

    Open the conversation

    Excerpt from the conversation with: General manager, 6 years in role · Site D, signs the invoices

    Lontra

    What do you see of ordering from where you sit?

    General manager

    Invoices. I see them come in, I sign them. I don't see what's ordered before. The chef places it and I see the total. I've never seen a stock sheet, he orders from what he sees in the fridge.

    Lontra

    How do you know whether the orders are right?

    General manager

    I don't, until the monthly pack. Food cost is on page three and it's either good or it's not. If it's bad I ask him what happened and we both don't know.

    Lontra

    What do you do when it's high?

    General manager

    Talk to the chef, change a dish maybe. It's guesses.

    Lontra

    What happens on delivery day?

    General manager

    Deliveries land at seven and the box sizes mean he always orders a bit over. The chef checks against the invoice, mostly. If he's on his break, a commis signs. Monday mornings are short.

    Lontra

    What would you change?

    General manager

    A weekly number, one per site, and a line to say why.

  4. “finance sending the figure weekly, not monthly.”

    Area operations manager, 4 sites

    Open the conversation

    Excerpt from the conversation with: Area operations manager, 4 sites · Covers Sites A, B, C and D

    Lontra

    From where you sit, why does food cost differ between your sites?

    Area operations manager

    I've got four sites and their food costs run from twenty-six to thirty-six. Four head chefs, four ways of doing it. One counts every week, the other three monthly, when finance chases.

    Lontra

    What do you make of that?

    Area operations manager

    It's not about skill. Nobody has set a method. Each head chef built their own and they're all good cooks. The one who counts weekly is the lowest, by a distance.

    Lontra

    What happens when you ask a chef to count?

    Area operations manager

    They do. Then it slips. There's no reminder and nobody checks. The sheet goes in a drawer.

    Lontra

    Which of your sites order from memory?

    Area operations manager

    Most. I'd say three of my four. Cut-offs are two or three in the afternoon, so they order in the middle of prep.

    Lontra

    How do you decide whether to step in?

    Area operations manager

    I don't have a trigger. I see the number mid-month, tell them, and they say they'll look at it.

    Lontra

    What would you change?

    Area operations manager

    One count sheet, one day a week, the same for every site. And finance sending the figure weekly, not monthly. I'd start with the highest three.

The lowest-cost sites count every week and order up to a set level 3 of 8 people Emerging

The two sites that send weekly counts are the two lowest in the table. Only three people said so in this study, and none of the high-cost sites has tried it for more than two weeks.

“Then I order up to the par levels, so I'm topping up to a set number.”Head chef, 12 years in role
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  1. “Then I order up to the par levels, so I'm topping up to a set number.”

    Head chef, 12 years in role

    Open the conversation

    Excerpt from the conversation with: Head chef, 12 years in role · Site A, about 90 covers a day

    Lontra

    To start, how do you decide what to order for your kitchen in a normal week?

    Head chef

    Sunday night after service we count everything. Fridge, dry store, freezer. My sous does the count, I check it. Then I order up to the par levels, so I'm topping up to a set number. Deliveries land Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

    Lontra

    Who set the par levels?

    Head chef

    I did, when I started, and I've changed them a few times. Summer's different from winter.

    Lontra

    Thank you for the order sheet you shared. On the cream line the par is 12 litres, you counted 4 and the order is 8. How did you land on 12?

    Head chef

    Last three weeks of sales. Twelve gets us from Monday to Wednesday with a bit spare. In summer it's nine, fewer puddings. I look at it every few weeks.

    Lontra

    What does the count cost you?

    Head chef

    Ninety minutes of the sous chef's time and mine on a Sunday night, when we'd rather be home. It's not popular. But I'd rather count than guess.

    Lontra

    What keeps you doing it?

    Head chef

    Finance send me the weekly figure on Monday. That's why I keep doing it. If I never saw the number I don't think I'd bother.

    Lontra

    Do other head chefs work the same way?

    Head chef

    No. I hear a few don't count unless head office asks. Not a criticism. Nobody told us to count. I learned it at my last place.

    Lontra

    Who else knows how your par levels are set?

    Head chef

    Nobody. They're in my head and on that sheet. If I left tomorrow it would go with me.

    Lontra

    What would help the other sites?

    Head chef

    A simple sheet like mine and someone to say count on Sunday. That's it.

  2. “Counts every week. Orders to a par.”

    Finance business partner

    Open the conversation

    Excerpt from the conversation with: Finance business partner · Group finance, produces the monthly food cost figure

    Lontra

    How does finance work out food cost for each site?

    Finance business partner

    Opening stock plus purchases minus closing stock, over sales. Purchases we see from the invoices. Closing stock we rely on the site to count and send. Not everyone does.

    Lontra

    How many sites send a count?

    Finance business partner

    Eleven sites. Two send one every week, the rest monthly because that's what we ask for, and a couple are late. For the two that send weekly I email a weekly figure, because they ask.

    Lontra

    Thank you for the table. Site B shows 36.3 per cent against a group target of 30. How does finance find out, and when?

    Finance business partner

    At month end, when the counts are in. About the tenth of the following month. So the site hears about March's number in the middle of April.

    Lontra

    What do you think explains the range?

    Finance business partner

    Same suppliers, same price list, same menu. So it isn't price and it isn't the menu. It's quantity: how much comes in versus how much is sold. And quantity is the order. I don't say that to point at anyone, we've never given them a way to see it.

    Lontra

    What do the best sites have in common?

    Finance business partner

    Counts every week. Orders to a par. At least that's what I've seen from Site A and Site J. I haven't been in the kitchen.

    Lontra

    Is there anything about the table you aren't sure of?

    Finance business partner

    Wastage isn't in there. And cost by dish isn't either, we only see the site total. I don't know how much is price, how much is portion.

  3. “The one who counts weekly is the lowest, by a distance.”

    Area operations manager, 4 sites

    Open the conversation

    Excerpt from the conversation with: Area operations manager, 4 sites · Covers Sites A, B, C and D

    Lontra

    From where you sit, why does food cost differ between your sites?

    Area operations manager

    I've got four sites and their food costs run from twenty-six to thirty-six. Four head chefs, four ways of doing it. One counts every week, the other three monthly, when finance chases.

    Lontra

    What do you make of that?

    Area operations manager

    It's not about skill. Nobody has set a method. Each head chef built their own and they're all good cooks. The one who counts weekly is the lowest, by a distance.

    Lontra

    What happens when you ask a chef to count?

    Area operations manager

    They do. Then it slips. There's no reminder and nobody checks. The sheet goes in a drawer.

    Lontra

    Which of your sites order from memory?

    Area operations manager

    Most. I'd say three of my four. Cut-offs are two or three in the afternoon, so they order in the middle of prep.

    Lontra

    How do you decide whether to step in?

    Area operations manager

    I don't have a trigger. I see the number mid-month, tell them, and they say they'll look at it.

    Lontra

    What would you change?

    Area operations manager

    One count sheet, one day a week, the same for every site. And finance sending the figure weekly, not monthly. I'd start with the highest three.

Where accounts differ

Whether the gap comes from the menu or from how much is ordered

Kitchens that sell the dearest dishes say their cost is higher because of what they sell. Finance says the suppliers, price list and menu are the same everywhere, so the gap is quantity. The area manager points to the missing method rather than either side.

In the kitchens 2 people
  1. “We sell more of the steak and the fish than the other sites. They're the dear lines, so of course we're higher.”

    Head chef, 7 years in role

    Open the conversation

    Excerpt from the conversation with: Head chef, 7 years in role · Site C, about 80 covers a day

    Lontra

    How do you decide what to order?

    Head chef

    I walk the fridge on Tuesday and Thursday with a notepad and order from that. Two suppliers for most things, one for fish. Orders go in by two for next morning.

    Lontra

    What is on the notepad?

    Head chef

    What we're low on. Not what we've got. If it's low I order it.

    Lontra

    How do you know what's low?

    Head chef

    Eyes. And the prep cook tells me what's run out.

    Lontra

    When do you count stock properly?

    Head chef

    Month end, with the sous. Takes an afternoon.

    Lontra

    How do case sizes and minimums come into it?

    Head chef

    Chicken's in ten kilo boxes. I need six, I order ten, there's no half box. And the minimum order's two hundred pounds, so I add things to get there.

    Lontra

    What happens to the things you add?

    Head chef

    Mostly they get used. Sometimes it's a special to shift it.

    Lontra

    What do you think explains your number?

    Head chef

    Honestly, the menu. We sell more of the steak and the fish than the other sites. They're the dear lines, so of course we're higher.

    Lontra

    What would you want from head office?

    Head chef

    Tell me when prices change. I found out the butter had gone up when I saw the invoice. Three weeks later.

  2. “The steak. We sell loads.”

    Sous chef, 3 years in role

    Open the conversation

    Excerpt from the conversation with: Sous chef, 3 years in role · Site B

    Lontra

    How does your kitchen decide what to order?

    Sous chef

    Chef does it.

    Lontra

    Do you help?

    Sous chef

    Sometimes. I tell him what's low.

    Lontra

    How do you know what's low?

    Sous chef

    I look.

    Lontra

    Do you write it down?

    Sous chef

    Not usually.

    Lontra

    When did you last count the whole stock?

    Sous chef

    End of last month. Took ages.

    Lontra

    What do you think makes your food cost high?

    Sous chef

    The steak. We sell loads.

    Lontra

    What would help?

    Sous chef

    A list to tick, maybe.

In finance 1 person
  1. “Same suppliers, same price list, same menu. So it isn't price and it isn't the menu.”

    Finance business partner

    Open the conversation

    Excerpt from the conversation with: Finance business partner · Group finance, produces the monthly food cost figure

    Lontra

    How does finance work out food cost for each site?

    Finance business partner

    Opening stock plus purchases minus closing stock, over sales. Purchases we see from the invoices. Closing stock we rely on the site to count and send. Not everyone does.

    Lontra

    How many sites send a count?

    Finance business partner

    Eleven sites. Two send one every week, the rest monthly because that's what we ask for, and a couple are late. For the two that send weekly I email a weekly figure, because they ask.

    Lontra

    Thank you for the table. Site B shows 36.3 per cent against a group target of 30. How does finance find out, and when?

    Finance business partner

    At month end, when the counts are in. About the tenth of the following month. So the site hears about March's number in the middle of April.

    Lontra

    What do you think explains the range?

    Finance business partner

    Same suppliers, same price list, same menu. So it isn't price and it isn't the menu. It's quantity: how much comes in versus how much is sold. And quantity is the order. I don't say that to point at anyone, we've never given them a way to see it.

    Lontra

    What do the best sites have in common?

    Finance business partner

    Counts every week. Orders to a par. At least that's what I've seen from Site A and Site J. I haven't been in the kitchen.

    Lontra

    Is there anything about the table you aren't sure of?

    Finance business partner

    Wastage isn't in there. And cost by dish isn't either, we only see the site total. I don't know how much is price, how much is portion.

In between 1 person
  1. “It's not about skill. Nobody has set a method.”

    Area operations manager, 4 sites

    Open the conversation

    Excerpt from the conversation with: Area operations manager, 4 sites · Covers Sites A, B, C and D

    Lontra

    From where you sit, why does food cost differ between your sites?

    Area operations manager

    I've got four sites and their food costs run from twenty-six to thirty-six. Four head chefs, four ways of doing it. One counts every week, the other three monthly, when finance chases.

    Lontra

    What do you make of that?

    Area operations manager

    It's not about skill. Nobody has set a method. Each head chef built their own and they're all good cooks. The one who counts weekly is the lowest, by a distance.

    Lontra

    What happens when you ask a chef to count?

    Area operations manager

    They do. Then it slips. There's no reminder and nobody checks. The sheet goes in a drawer.

    Lontra

    Which of your sites order from memory?

    Area operations manager

    Most. I'd say three of my four. Cut-offs are two or three in the afternoon, so they order in the middle of prep.

    Lontra

    How do you decide whether to step in?

    Area operations manager

    I don't have a trigger. I see the number mid-month, tell them, and they say they'll look at it.

    Lontra

    What would you change?

    Area operations manager

    One count sheet, one day a week, the same for every site. And finance sending the figure weekly, not monthly. I'd start with the highest three.

Documents

Food cost per site, last quarter Shared by a participant

Food cost for all eleven sites: 26.5 per cent at the lowest, 36.3 at the highest, against a group target of 30. The two sites that send weekly stock counts are the two lowest.

Shared by: Finance business partner

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The line Lontra asked about is marked.

SiteSales (GBP k)Food cost (GBP k)Food cost (%)Counts sent
A41210926.513
B38814136.33
C36511832.33
D44013630.93
E3019631.93
F35610529.55
G39812230.73
H2879934.52
I33410330.83
J42011828.112
K3129530.43

What Lontra asked about it

Excerpt from the conversation with: Finance business partner · Group finance, produces the monthly food cost figure

Lontra

How does finance work out food cost for each site?

Finance business partner

Opening stock plus purchases minus closing stock, over sales. Purchases we see from the invoices. Closing stock we rely on the site to count and send. Not everyone does.

Lontra

How many sites send a count?

Finance business partner

Eleven sites. Two send one every week, the rest monthly because that's what we ask for, and a couple are late. For the two that send weekly I email a weekly figure, because they ask.

Lontra

Thank you for the table. Site B shows 36.3 per cent against a group target of 30. How does finance find out, and when?

Finance business partner

At month end, when the counts are in. About the tenth of the following month. So the site hears about March's number in the middle of April.

Lontra

What do you think explains the range?

Finance business partner

Same suppliers, same price list, same menu. So it isn't price and it isn't the menu. It's quantity: how much comes in versus how much is sold. And quantity is the order. I don't say that to point at anyone, we've never given them a way to see it.

Lontra

What do the best sites have in common?

Finance business partner

Counts every week. Orders to a par. At least that's what I've seen from Site A and Site J. I haven't been in the kitchen.

Lontra

Is there anything about the table you aren't sure of?

Finance business partner

Wastage isn't in there. And cost by dish isn't either, we only see the site total. I don't know how much is price, how much is portion.

Site A weekly order sheet (extract) Shared by a participant

The Sunday count at the lowest-cost site: each line has a par level, the count, and an order that is the difference.

Shared by: Head chef, 12 years in role

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ItemUnitParCounted SunOrderNote
Chicken thighskg1679
Minced beefkg1046
Creamlitre1248Mon delivery lasts to Wed
Butterkg624
Onionskg20119
Potatoeskg401525
Eggstray835
Haddockkg808Fish order by 3pm

What Lontra asked about it

Excerpt from the conversation with: Head chef, 12 years in role · Site A, about 90 covers a day

Lontra

To start, how do you decide what to order for your kitchen in a normal week?

Head chef

Sunday night after service we count everything. Fridge, dry store, freezer. My sous does the count, I check it. Then I order up to the par levels, so I'm topping up to a set number. Deliveries land Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

Lontra

Who set the par levels?

Head chef

I did, when I started, and I've changed them a few times. Summer's different from winter.

Lontra

Thank you for the order sheet you shared. On the cream line the par is 12 litres, you counted 4 and the order is 8. How did you land on 12?

Head chef

Last three weeks of sales. Twelve gets us from Monday to Wednesday with a bit spare. In summer it's nine, fewer puddings. I look at it every few weeks.

Lontra

What does the count cost you?

Head chef

Ninety minutes of the sous chef's time and mine on a Sunday night, when we'd rather be home. It's not popular. But I'd rather count than guess.

Lontra

What keeps you doing it?

Head chef

Finance send me the weekly figure on Monday. That's why I keep doing it. If I never saw the number I don't think I'd bother.

Lontra

Do other head chefs work the same way?

Head chef

No. I hear a few don't count unless head office asks. Not a criticism. Nobody told us to count. I learned it at my last place.

Lontra

Who else knows how your par levels are set?

Head chef

Nobody. They're in my head and on that sheet. If I left tomorrow it would go with me.

Lontra

What would help the other sites?

Head chef

A simple sheet like mine and someone to say count on Sunday. That's it.

What we still don’t know

  • How much of the gap is portioning and prep, rather than ordering.Nobody weighs portions or prep, and finance holds no wastage figure. Sales mix explains at most about two points of the nine-point gap; the other seven could be ordering, prep or portions, and this study cannot separate them.
  • Whether counting weekly would lower cost at the high-cost sites.The two lowest sites count weekly, but the head chef at the highest tried it for only two weeks and has no cost figure for them yet. Whether the habit or the site explains the result cannot be told from these conversations.

Deep Study

A few days after the last conversation, Deep Study went back to two people whose answers left a question open, and spoke to one colleague the head chef of the lowest-cost site suggested.

Head chef, 4 years in role Asked again

Orders from a walk round the fridge and counts monthly for finance. What changes if the count comes before the order?

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Finance business partner Asked again

Said the range was quantity, but could not say how much was price, portion or sales mix.

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Sous chef, 5 years in role Suggested by: Head chef, 12 years in role

Suggested by the head chef at Site A: the sous chef who does the Sunday count knows what it takes.

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What Deep Study added

  • A two-week trial of counting before ordering cut one head chef's order by about a fifth, with one shortage, on a late delivery.
  • Sales mix explains at most two points of the nine-point gap, so the menu is part of the story but not most of it.
  • Counting continues at the lowest site because finance sends a weekly figure. If the figure stopped, the sous chef thinks the count would too.
  • The lowest site's par levels sit with one head chef and are not written anywhere else.

Who took part

People are described by their role and context, as in any Lontra study.

  • Head chef, 12 years in role Site A, about 90 covers a day · 20 min

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    Lontra

    To start, how do you decide what to order for your kitchen in a normal week?

    Head chef

    Sunday night after service we count everything. Fridge, dry store, freezer. My sous does the count, I check it. Then I order up to the par levels, so I'm topping up to a set number. Deliveries land Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

    Lontra

    Who set the par levels?

    Head chef

    I did, when I started, and I've changed them a few times. Summer's different from winter.

    Lontra

    Thank you for the order sheet you shared. On the cream line the par is 12 litres, you counted 4 and the order is 8. How did you land on 12?

    Head chef

    Last three weeks of sales. Twelve gets us from Monday to Wednesday with a bit spare. In summer it's nine, fewer puddings. I look at it every few weeks.

    Lontra

    What does the count cost you?

    Head chef

    Ninety minutes of the sous chef's time and mine on a Sunday night, when we'd rather be home. It's not popular. But I'd rather count than guess.

    Lontra

    What keeps you doing it?

    Head chef

    Finance send me the weekly figure on Monday. That's why I keep doing it. If I never saw the number I don't think I'd bother.

    Lontra

    Do other head chefs work the same way?

    Head chef

    No. I hear a few don't count unless head office asks. Not a criticism. Nobody told us to count. I learned it at my last place.

    Lontra

    Who else knows how your par levels are set?

    Head chef

    Nobody. They're in my head and on that sheet. If I left tomorrow it would go with me.

    Lontra

    What would help the other sites?

    Head chef

    A simple sheet like mine and someone to say count on Sunday. That's it.

  • Head chef, 4 years in role Site B, about 110 covers a day · 18 min

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    Lontra

    How do you decide what to order for your kitchen in a normal week?

    Head chef

    I know my kitchen. I look at what's in, I think about the weekend, I place the order. I don't need a sheet.

    Lontra

    What do you look at when you decide?

    Head chef

    The fridge, the walk-in, the bookings for Friday and Saturday. Twenty minutes. I do it at two, the cut-off's at three.

    Lontra

    How do you know how much is in?

    Head chef

    I count it every month for finance. Otherwise I know what I've got. I can see it.

    Lontra

    You said you count it every month for finance, and also that you can see what you've got. Which is closer to what happens on an order day?

    Head chef

    Fair. I count monthly because finance want it. For orders it's the walk and what I remember. If you asked me exactly how many kilos of beef I've got I'd be guessing.

    Lontra

    What happens when you guess too high?

    Head chef

    It sits. We use it, but the ones at the back go out of date. And too low, I'm on the phone on Friday to a supplier at whatever price. Running out on a Saturday is worse than having too much.

    Lontra

    Who decides how much is too much?

    Head chef

    Nobody. Finance send the figure at the end of the month, then it's too late to do anything.

    Lontra

    What do you see in that figure?

    Head chef

    A number. Thirty-six per cent. It doesn't say what happened. I don't know if it's the beef, the portions, the supplier price.

    Lontra

    What would you change?

    Head chef

    Let me see it weekly. And a count sheet that isn't a blank page.

    Excerpt from the Deep Study conversation with: Head chef, 4 years in role · Site B, about 110 covers a day

    Lontra

    Last time you said you order from the walk and what you remember. Have you tried counting before the order since?

    Head chef

    Two weeks. I counted on the Wednesday and ordered to the count. Forty minutes. The order came out about a fifth smaller, mostly dairy and dry stuff.

    Lontra

    Did you run short of anything?

    Head chef

    Cream, once, on the Saturday, because the delivery was late. Got it from the cash and carry at a worse price.

    Lontra

    Who should see the count?

    Head chef

    Finance, the same week. Then I'd know what it did. Someone told me the sous at Site A does theirs on a Sunday.

  • Head chef, 7 years in role Site C, about 80 covers a day · 16 min

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    Lontra

    How do you decide what to order?

    Head chef

    I walk the fridge on Tuesday and Thursday with a notepad and order from that. Two suppliers for most things, one for fish. Orders go in by two for next morning.

    Lontra

    What is on the notepad?

    Head chef

    What we're low on. Not what we've got. If it's low I order it.

    Lontra

    How do you know what's low?

    Head chef

    Eyes. And the prep cook tells me what's run out.

    Lontra

    When do you count stock properly?

    Head chef

    Month end, with the sous. Takes an afternoon.

    Lontra

    How do case sizes and minimums come into it?

    Head chef

    Chicken's in ten kilo boxes. I need six, I order ten, there's no half box. And the minimum order's two hundred pounds, so I add things to get there.

    Lontra

    What happens to the things you add?

    Head chef

    Mostly they get used. Sometimes it's a special to shift it.

    Lontra

    What do you think explains your number?

    Head chef

    Honestly, the menu. We sell more of the steak and the fish than the other sites. They're the dear lines, so of course we're higher.

    Lontra

    What would you want from head office?

    Head chef

    Tell me when prices change. I found out the butter had gone up when I saw the invoice. Three weeks later.

  • Sous chef, 3 years in role Site B · 6 min

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    Lontra

    How does your kitchen decide what to order?

    Sous chef

    Chef does it.

    Lontra

    Do you help?

    Sous chef

    Sometimes. I tell him what's low.

    Lontra

    How do you know what's low?

    Sous chef

    I look.

    Lontra

    Do you write it down?

    Sous chef

    Not usually.

    Lontra

    When did you last count the whole stock?

    Sous chef

    End of last month. Took ages.

    Lontra

    What do you think makes your food cost high?

    Sous chef

    The steak. We sell loads.

    Lontra

    What would help?

    Sous chef

    A list to tick, maybe.

  • General manager, 6 years in role Site D, signs the invoices · 14 min

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    Lontra

    What do you see of ordering from where you sit?

    General manager

    Invoices. I see them come in, I sign them. I don't see what's ordered before. The chef places it and I see the total. I've never seen a stock sheet, he orders from what he sees in the fridge.

    Lontra

    How do you know whether the orders are right?

    General manager

    I don't, until the monthly pack. Food cost is on page three and it's either good or it's not. If it's bad I ask him what happened and we both don't know.

    Lontra

    What do you do when it's high?

    General manager

    Talk to the chef, change a dish maybe. It's guesses.

    Lontra

    What happens on delivery day?

    General manager

    Deliveries land at seven and the box sizes mean he always orders a bit over. The chef checks against the invoice, mostly. If he's on his break, a commis signs. Monday mornings are short.

    Lontra

    What would you change?

    General manager

    A weekly number, one per site, and a line to say why.

  • Prep cook, 1 year in role Site C · 5 min

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    Lontra

    How do you know how much to prep each day?

    Prep cook

    Chef tells me.

    Lontra

    How does he work it out?

    Prep cook

    Not sure. He looks at the bookings, I think.

    Lontra

    What happens to prep that isn't used?

    Prep cook

    We use it next day. Or it goes.

    Lontra

    How often does it go?

    Prep cook

    Some. Not loads.

    Lontra

    How does the chef know what to order?

    Prep cook

    He walks round with his pad.

  • Finance business partner Group finance, produces the monthly food cost figure · 21 min

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    Lontra

    How does finance work out food cost for each site?

    Finance business partner

    Opening stock plus purchases minus closing stock, over sales. Purchases we see from the invoices. Closing stock we rely on the site to count and send. Not everyone does.

    Lontra

    How many sites send a count?

    Finance business partner

    Eleven sites. Two send one every week, the rest monthly because that's what we ask for, and a couple are late. For the two that send weekly I email a weekly figure, because they ask.

    Lontra

    Thank you for the table. Site B shows 36.3 per cent against a group target of 30. How does finance find out, and when?

    Finance business partner

    At month end, when the counts are in. About the tenth of the following month. So the site hears about March's number in the middle of April.

    Lontra

    What do you think explains the range?

    Finance business partner

    Same suppliers, same price list, same menu. So it isn't price and it isn't the menu. It's quantity: how much comes in versus how much is sold. And quantity is the order. I don't say that to point at anyone, we've never given them a way to see it.

    Lontra

    What do the best sites have in common?

    Finance business partner

    Counts every week. Orders to a par. At least that's what I've seen from Site A and Site J. I haven't been in the kitchen.

    Lontra

    Is there anything about the table you aren't sure of?

    Finance business partner

    Wastage isn't in there. And cost by dish isn't either, we only see the site total. I don't know how much is price, how much is portion.

    Excerpt from the Deep Study conversation with: Finance business partner · Group finance, produces the monthly food cost figure

    Lontra

    You said you could not tell how much of the gap is price, portion or what each site sells. Have you looked since?

    Finance business partner

    I pulled the sales mix for the three highest sites against Site A. They sell a bit more of the two dearest dishes. That's about two points of the nine-point gap, at most.

    Lontra

    What does that leave?

    Finance business partner

    Seven points I can't explain from where I sit. Ordering, prep, portions, I can't say which. Nobody weighs portions and we've no wastage figure.

    Lontra

    Would the kitchens agree it is not the menu?

    Finance business partner

    Two of them would say it is. I'd say the mix is part of it, not most of it. I'd rather show them the numbers than argue.

  • Area operations manager, 4 sites Covers Sites A, B, C and D · 17 min

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    Lontra

    From where you sit, why does food cost differ between your sites?

    Area operations manager

    I've got four sites and their food costs run from twenty-six to thirty-six. Four head chefs, four ways of doing it. One counts every week, the other three monthly, when finance chases.

    Lontra

    What do you make of that?

    Area operations manager

    It's not about skill. Nobody has set a method. Each head chef built their own and they're all good cooks. The one who counts weekly is the lowest, by a distance.

    Lontra

    What happens when you ask a chef to count?

    Area operations manager

    They do. Then it slips. There's no reminder and nobody checks. The sheet goes in a drawer.

    Lontra

    Which of your sites order from memory?

    Area operations manager

    Most. I'd say three of my four. Cut-offs are two or three in the afternoon, so they order in the middle of prep.

    Lontra

    How do you decide whether to step in?

    Area operations manager

    I don't have a trigger. I see the number mid-month, tell them, and they say they'll look at it.

    Lontra

    What would you change?

    Area operations manager

    One count sheet, one day a week, the same for every site. And finance sending the figure weekly, not monthly. I'd start with the highest three.

  • Sous chef, 5 years in role Site A, does the weekly stock count · 10 min · joined in Deep Study

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    Lontra

    Your head chef suggested we talk to you about the Sunday count. What does it involve?

    Sous chef

    Sunday after service. Two of us, ninety minutes. Fridge, walk-in, dry store, freezer. I've got the sheet on a clipboard, I count, he works out the order. I send the count to finance before I go home.

    Lontra

    What is the hardest part?

    Sous chef

    Staying until it's done. And open boxes in the freezer, you're guessing the partial ones.

    Lontra

    What would make you stop?

    Sous chef

    If nobody looked at the numbers. Finance send the weekly figure and I look at it Monday morning. If that stopped I think we'd stop counting.

About this study

The question

“I want to understand why food cost varies so much between our restaurants, how each kitchen orders and prepares, and what the best sites do differently.”

A group of eleven restaurants. Eight people took part: three head chefs, a sous chef, a prep cook, a general manager, an area operations manager and one person from group finance. Each conversation lasted 5 to 21 minutes. Deep Study went back to two of them and spoke to one colleague the head chef of the lowest-cost site suggested.

What Lontra asked about

  1. How a kitchen decides what to order
  2. When stock is counted, and who sees the count
  3. What happens between the order and the plate
  4. How and when each site learns its food cost

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Answers from 8 conversations and 2 documents

These are questions the organiser asked about this study. Each answer shows the quotes it rests on.

Why do sites with the same suppliers and menu have such different food cost?

The sites share a price list and a menu, and the range is from 26.5 to 36.3 per cent. The kitchens describe different ways of ordering: one counts every week and orders up to a set level, the others walk the fridge and order from what they remember.

Sales mix explains at most two points of the nine. The other seven could be ordering, prep or portions, and nobody measures those.

Only three head chefs and one person from finance took part; the other seven sites were not asked.

Show 3 sources
1
“It's quantity: how much comes in versus how much is sold.”
Finance business partner
2
“If you asked me exactly how many kilos of beef I've got I'd be guessing.”
Head chef, 4 years in role
3
“That's about two points of the nine-point gap, at most.”
Finance business partner · Deep Study
What do the lowest-cost sites do differently?

They count stock every week and order up to a set level, then see a weekly figure from finance on Monday. The head chef at the lowest site says the figure is why he keeps counting.

The method sits with him. His par levels are in his head and on his sheet, and nobody else sets them.

Two sites count weekly and they are the two lowest; with eleven sites this is a pattern, not a proof.

Show 3 sources
1
“Nobody. They're in my head and on that sheet. If I left tomorrow it would go with me.”
Head chef, 12 years in role
2
“If that stopped I think we'd stop counting.”
Sous chef, 5 years in role · Deep Study
3
“They do. Then it slips. There's no reminder and nobody checks.”
Area operations manager, 4 sites
Is it down to individual head chefs?

It is down to the absence of a shared method, not to the people. The area manager describes four head chefs who are all good cooks and have each built their own way; finance says the group has never given them a way to see the numbers.

Where a chef was asked to try counting first, he did, and found the order about a fifth smaller.

Show 3 sources
1
“Each head chef built their own and they're all good cooks.”
Area operations manager, 4 sites
2
“I don't say that to point at anyone, we've never given them a way to see it.”
Finance business partner
3
“The order came out about a fifth smaller, mostly dairy and dry stuff.”
Head chef, 4 years in role · Deep Study
What would the people in the kitchens change first?

The timing of the number. Head chefs, the general manager and the area manager all ask for a weekly figure instead of a monthly one, and a count sheet that is the same at every site.

One chef asked for price changes to be sent to kitchens, rather than found on an invoice weeks later.

Show 3 sources
1
“One count sheet, one day a week, the same for every site.”
Area operations manager, 4 sites
2
“Tell me when prices change.”
Head chef, 7 years in role
3
“A list to tick, maybe.”
Sous chef, 3 years in role

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